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Postby Jörg Schaaf » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:01 pm

If it would be implemented, it would have been announced much louder than this improvment/bugfix version.
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Postby via » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:54 pm

wait ... what is going on here ...
while in record mode I can not freely run around and adjust things like quantize or envelope settings...
also I seam to be running into this assigning seq line to Dsynth bug..

and I really really really don´t like all this extra text on the LCD .. the help system should cover this for new users
one a small LCD a text like this ..Multimode Volume Envelope Page1
should write as: MM Vol Env

also this extra ...(0=sin 128=saw.... forget it!.. sorry a new user can read up on this or the value number could display ''saw'' instead of ''127'' etc..

the cleaner the LCD the better ... more text gives the illusion of complexity .. while a clean display gives impression of professionalism
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Postby dest4b » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:04 am

i didnt found some functions after the update ;)
hidden in the new textadventure .. hehe
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Postby blacksun » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:45 am

via, as someone whos grey cells seem to be decaying at an ever increasing rate, I love the new extra text on the lcd. As long as there is room for the real info on the display and the os isnt over filling the available rom space I say keep it. Love to see more functions documented in the help too, but understand things are in flux still.
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Postby Jörg Schaaf » Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:56 am

via wrote:wait ... what is going on here ...
while in record mode I can not freely run around and adjust things like quantize or envelope settings...
also I seam to be running into this assigning seq line to Dsynth bug..

and I really really really don´t like all this extra text on the LCD .. the help system should cover this for new users
one a small LCD a text like this ..Multimode Volume Envelope Page1
should write as: MM Vol Env

also this extra ...(0=sin 128=saw.... forget it!.. sorry a new user can read up on this or the value number could display ''saw'' instead of ''127'' etc..

the cleaner the LCD the better ... more text gives the illusion of complexity .. while a clean display gives impression of professionalism


1.) Most users avoid reading the manual. They not even know that there is a help function.
2.) The waveforms have smooth transitions from one wave form to the next. We can not find a name for every single waveform in the transition. A replacement of 127 by saw would not be helpful if you have selected something between 127 and 255.
3.) We only have 2x40 characters. That does not allow strings larger than 3 characters per wave. How should we short "rectangle" to three characters?
4.) Numbers or waveform names are in my opinion not helpful at all, if you are using TLM, FM, PM or oscillator synchronisation. The hearing should decide what waveform gets selected.
5.) In former version there was no information at all visible in the oscillator wave menu. So even this little extra in the first display row is better than keeping it blank. The topic what number is which waveform was one of the most asked questions here in the forum. So there should be no discussion about it. The help menu is fine but must be known. If not, it is no help at all. In this version you get at least some infos before asking and I am sure, it is better for new users than keeping it blank.

The Spectralis shows of some professionalism, as soon as one hits the play button;-)
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Postby Jörg Schaaf » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:15 am

via wrote:while in record mode I can not freely run around and adjust things like quantize or envelope settings...


That has to do with the preperation for knob realtime recording. As soon as you enter realtime recording, knob movements should not change the default sound settings anymore you save later on into your pattern. Instead of that knob movments should be recorded for realtime sound tweaking. If the Spectralis would accept the movements as changings to the pattern settings, every realtime recording of knobs would destroy the sound settings of your pattern.

The Spectralis must memorize the starting point of a movement. The starting point is the memorized pattern setting and the movement of knobs will always start there. Otherwise the last position of a sound tweaking would get saved into the settings even if you cancel your recording.

You can always jump back to playback mode by pressing play while recording and change the pattern settings and jump back into realtime recording without stopping by hitting record again.
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Postby via » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:00 pm

2.) The waveforms have smooth transitions from one wave form to the next. We can not find a name for every single waveform in the transition. A replacement of 127 by saw would not be helpful if you have selected something between 127 and 255.


you wouldn´t´t have to do it for every single step just the main basic waveforms ... its just as helpful as just having this text written on the lcd.. and you can use it for the lfo´s aswell...:idea:

4.) Numbers or waveform names are in my opinion not helpful at all, if you are using TLM, FM, PM or oscillator synchronisation. The hearing should decide what waveform gets selected.


most users that use the spek will know its a powerfull synth and have some or a little more than basic synthesis knowlage, (or will learn it during their time with the spectralis) and can or will hear/ notice modulation on the waveform when its at place .. it then doesn´t hurt to know what the main OSC is set to.. even if it wouldn´t truly tell you the shape of the osc .

1.) Most users avoid reading the manual. They not even know that there is a help function.


there is a learning curve to the spectralis that everyone has to pass,.. there are many things that are confusing at first and moments like "where the hell is the sound coming from".. happen quite often even for experienced users.. and until the user knows all the routings including bypass options he could have a hard time findng the source..

what I´m trying to say we are all new to the unit at some point but the focus of the OS shouldn´t be on that phase..
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Postby via » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:29 pm

I don´t mean to come out harsh at all... I´ve got nothing but great respect at what you at radical have accomplished and the new text is growing on me from my original shock valued first impression and I can understand you very rightful decision of not wanting to display a saw in the OSC menu when its not a saw at all.. I know blacksun hit the nail right when he said it only os flux so I honestly do think this is the time to speak out and things can be trimmed down a bit .. like LP its universal for Lopass in the synth world, Mod for modulation and Vol for volume ...the list goes on.. cluttering the lcd where its not needed is just wrong..

The Spectralis shows of some professionalism, as soon as one hits the play button;-)
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Postby Gurulogic » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:42 am

well, I haven't bothered to ask in almost three months. so...
...are we any closer to having midi pattern change on the spectralis!?
Or should I just forget about it and maybe instead train a monkey to do it?
patience is a virtue...
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Postby marco » Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:13 pm

hi Jörg, the only problem what i have since the new update is the usb connectivity. When i connect the Speci to the PC i become very often a bluescreen at my Windows PC. The USB solution of the older Version was much better!
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